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21 September 2014 @ 02:07 am
Elven Stages Of Development  
Okay, this has been bugging me.

Legolas is younger in The Hobbit movies than in the Lord of the Rings movies. Yet he looks different. Legolas' father, King Thranduil, is thinner and more resembles Legolas in the LOTR movies. Of course human actors age and develop from thin boys in their twenties to muscular men in their thirties. But that doesn't mean that we have to ignore what is happening because there is a perfectly good Elven explanation for it, which I just made up today.

Headcanon by A.G.K. Thomas
When Elves are young, they go through a 'buff' period, when they need more muscle mass to have the kind of strength they need for daily tasks, and to keep their body temperatures at a constant regardless of the elements.

As they age, their muscles grow stronger and therefore less mass is needed, until they mature into lithe, graceful creatures of incredible power and endurance.

Elves consider it kind of a 'cute' phase, like when humans go through their adorable 'baby fat' stage of development. Though it may be more akin to human puberty.

Younger Legolas

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Older Legolas





(My apologies btw if someone else has already come up with this. I've been out of touch with the fandom for several years and out of touch on LiveJournal for almost as long!)
kiwijojokiwijojo on September 21st, 2014 08:22 am (UTC)
OK, i can believe that! Gotta say tho, legolas at any age must have been WONDERFUL!
Dairwendan Mirthmakerdairwendan on September 21st, 2014 01:22 pm (UTC)
True! I have to agree with that!
sidurasidura on September 21st, 2014 08:26 am (UTC)
See I took another way to explain it in canon. Other than Bloom bulked up for the Hobbit.

As Legolas got older he got more trusted by his father, he is trusted with more command decisions and as an advisor. He was sent to one of the most important councils that was ever to be called in LOTR and given the ability to fully represent his father's kingdom without having to call back and get Thandril's okay about his decisions.

In the hobbit he is in charge of patrols and is basically one step up from a foot solider. His father questions him a lot more.

In LOTR in his father's eyes he is in a Boromir level of responsibility and in the Hobbit films he is at a Faramir level in his father's eyes.

But that means he doesn't need the muscle mass in the LOTR, because he isn't doing as much physical stuff. He has the skills but he is a Colonel or General, he'd be commanding troops and going out if need be not on a daily basis. Where as in the Hobbit films he has a more physical role in the defense of the kingdom he is a field Captain so he's out doing physical stuff a lot more than he is doing in LOTR.

Edited at 2014-09-21 08:29 am (UTC)
Dairwendan Mirthmakerdairwendan on September 21st, 2014 01:21 pm (UTC)
Interesting theory! I was trying to make it fit with the descriptions of Legolas in the LOTR books, his strength, and his being impervious to the cold, as well as being light enough to not sink into the snow. So I just thought perhaps as they get older their muscles become streamlines, yet stronger, and if the fiber of the muscle itself goes from being like a cotton chord to a nylon line. Smaller but stronger.

But I can understand that having a less physical position would do the same thing!
sidurasidura on September 21st, 2014 07:54 pm (UTC)
Yours also makes sense, mines is more about his skills such as not feeling cold being mind over matter as well as what elves are rather than humans. Things he could have honed over time.

Though, I don't think what helps is that CGI job they did on Bloom's face to smooth the few lines he had to make Legolas have younger looking skin in the Hobbit. It took away from the definition of his face as well as making his eyes weird so making his face look puffier than it actually is even though it is bulkier than it was in his 20's

Dairwendan Mirthmakerdairwendan on September 21st, 2014 08:37 pm (UTC)
Ah is that it? That's what nicenicegirl and I were talking about below. Yeah they screwed up on the CGI, definitely!

Edited at 2014-09-21 08:37 pm (UTC)
Kristynicenicegirl on September 21st, 2014 06:27 pm (UTC)
man, i loved Legolas in the LOTR movies. he kind of scares me in the Hobbit movies lmao he just looks.....angry or something. his eyes are odd too, can't put my finger on it.
Dairwendan Mirthmakerdairwendan on September 21st, 2014 07:00 pm (UTC)
His eyes look unnatural to me too! I don't know if they're just unnaturally blue or if there is too much light or sparkle in them, but i agree, they don't look quite right.
Kristynicenicegirl on September 22nd, 2014 01:23 am (UTC)
yes! they just don't look right at all. i'm wondering if there's some sort of CGI or something they're doing to make his eyes stand out more or something?
Dairwendan Mirthmakerdairwendan on September 24th, 2014 02:06 am (UTC)
Yes! sidura said above that they did some CGI to remove the lines from Orlando's face. I think they went overboard and messed around with the eyes as well.
Kristynicenicegirl on September 24th, 2014 04:22 am (UTC)
WAAAAAY overboard lol omg he just looks scary.
Dairwendan Mirthmakerdairwendan on September 27th, 2014 02:02 am (UTC)
I have to agree. They screwed up.